Effect of vendor support, or, rather, lack thereof

allanhalme · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:24 am

When asking for my client's architect's opinion on using Hibernate in our appliacation, I got this response: [our application server vendor] only supports "normal" J2EE database queries, and so his opinion is that Hibernate should not be used due to lack of vendor support.

I thought this was an interesting enough comment that it was worthy of posting to this forum.

(Personally, I am trying to get approval for usage of Hibernate.)

gavin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:40 am

LOL. Ask him how Hibernate calling JDBC via the appserver datasource is not a "normal" J2EE database query.

By his reasoning, if you write any class that wraps JDBC in your application, you are doing unsupported things. (Reductio ab adsurdum.)

allanhalme · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:54 am

Somehow, I feel that attempting to reason about his reasoning may not be a reasonable way to achieve my eminently reasonable desired end result ...

gavin · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:57 am

hehe - I feel your pain

lkoskela · **Joined:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:01 am **Posts:** 17

allanhalme wrote:

[our application server vendor] only supports "normal" J2EE database queries, and so his opinion is that Hibernate should not be used due to lack of vendor support.

Talking of which, are there any case studies etc. that one could use to back up the suggestion to use Hibernate in a J2EE (web) project on top of BEA WebLogic? How about WebSphere?

lkoskela · **Joined:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:01 am **Posts:** 17

Beyond the ones listed in "Who uses Hibernate?", of course...

christian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:55 am

Using Hibernate in Websphere or WebLogic is no different to using it in JBoss or in any other application server. Of course, you can get more/better integration for some things in JBoss, making your lifes easier. However, none of these special integration features is considered essential, in fact, most of them could be rewritten for any application server (not by us).

lkoskela · **Joined:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:01 am **Posts:** 17

Thanks Christian,

I realize that it's no different but was thinking more about having some assurance for a non-technical business type who doesn't care about technical arguments but shows unhealthy amounts of respect for a whitepaper using his favorite font and plenty of nice colorful pictures... :)

christian · **Posted:** Mon Sep 27, 2004 12:50 pm

So far we don't have something like this. I also wouldn't know what to write, except that "it works". There is nothing special to consider here.

allanhalme · **Posted:** Tue Sep 28, 2004 4:10 am

The situation is a bit like saying "you can't use Log4j/Struts/[any-other-3rd-party-tool] because the application server vendor doesn't support it". The vendor doesn't support our own custom code either, but that doesn't prevent us from writing our own application ...