If hibernate.max_fetch_depth = N, will Hibernate lazy load whatever is not joined in the first round?

This is important so we can eval runtime speed/memory characteristics.

Only if the "whatever" is mapped as lazy="true" or proxy="....."

So lets say "whatever" is not marked lazy. And, by definition, it's not joined...

So it's not reachable, or do you do something other than joining? Do I get a nullpointer back?

How about you actually try it out and see what happens. That is just so much quicker.

You don't know what happends?

Nick, here is a page you might find interesting:

http://www.hibernate.org/148.html

WTF is that supposed to mean?

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