I have myeclipse 4.0. I am curious to know what is the relationship between the hibernate capabilities of myeclipse and those of hibernate tools at http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/tools ... index.html.

Is there anything I stand to gain by installing those tools if I already have myeclipse? Will it cause any problems?

All input would be greatly appreciated.

you will not have problems with hibernate tools, but you will problems with web tools and myeclipse - myeclipse use jem 1.0.2 and web tools 1.1 and it is problem
web tools are required for hibernate tools and conclusion is :
it work, but with problems - I use both, but not together

my opinion about hibernate myeclipse and hibernate tools - hibernate tools do better mapping, but myeclipse have intuitive interface with database explorer (ME explorer is much better than rdb in webtools) - you can choose objects (table,views ..) from visual interface (me db explorer


regards

thanks, snpesnpe

so what you say you use both , but not together -

does that mean you have to eclipse installations and you use one in each

I meant to say "two"

I have two eclipse instalations, MyEclipse directory and directory with :
wtp sdk,gef,emf,ve,hibernate tools, spring ide and plugins for log4j and commons4e (for creating logger, toString, equals, hashCode etc)

One eclipse installation use MyEclipse and another directory with wtp and co

I use same workspace and don't start eclipse in same time

regards

wo ho! you got quite an environment

1) Can you tell me what these acronyms stand for:

wtp
gef
emf
ve

2) so using the same workspace has not caused you any problems as you make sure to close the other one?

wtp is webtools project (eclipse.org/webtools)
emf is emf project (eclipse.org/emf)
gef like emf
ve is visual editor eclipse.org/vep

emf , gef and ve (i use ve except jem) are required with webtools (and hibernate tools , too)


I haven't problem excpet when swith from ME to webtools (or inverse) I get error for restoring perspective (eclipse can't restore any ME view or editor when I go to web tools) - it isn't problem, it is warning

regards

thanks for your prompt reply

>> web tools are required for hibernate tools

Now, looking at http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/tools ... index.html
they don't tell you to download web tools. Is that because it's automatically included?

also, what's jem stand for?

jem is part of visual editor - it is from ibm donation for web tools before - I think that webtools guys will exclude this depnedencies

I don't know for hibernate tools download - I get hibernate tools and spring ide from cvs and
build in eclipse

regards

oh, ok, thanks

so how can you tell that webtools is a prerequisite for hibernate tools? are you saying it comes in the same cvs module?

sorry for be a nudge, it's just that I am about to send out an email to my team members who were about to install hibernate tools in the same eclipse as myhibernate, so I want to get my facts straight and clear when I tell'em not to do it.

no,
webtools sin't in same module like hibernate tools
I download this :

eclipse 3.1
emf-sdo-xsd 3.1.0 sdk
gef 3.1 sdk
ve 1.1 (you can download only jem if you don't need visual editor)
web tools 0.7rc3
myeclipse 4.0M2
... yet any plugins

spring ide from svn and hibernate tools from cvs

build for myeclipse is with empty eclipse 3.1

and all another plugins aare in special directory for webtools
- when start eclipse with webtools I build hibernate tools and spring ide

regards

Thanks for explanation, but I must be missing something.

You write:
>>and it is problem web tools are required for hibernate tools

So then how do you know they are required for hibernate tools? You happen to use both in the same install, but how do you know you need have web tools if you simply want to use hibernate tools?

I don't know how I know it - from tools web site , from hibernate forum or ...

regards

hmm, so that's weird - and I am going to post this as a separate thread

Just like you said, according to the link below you need wt for ht.

http://www.hibernate.org/268.html?cmd=prntdoc

At the moment Hibernate Tools are dependent on WebTools. You can get the latest release from (http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/ [8]). We are only dependent on the xml editor and thus if you want you can just get the WST plugins (I recommend the SDK download, it includes sources to allow easier debugging).


and yet according to this link: http://www.hibernate.org/hib_docs/tools ... index.html

the only requirements are:

Requirements

Install Eclipse 3.1 (http://www.eclipse.org)

After you have downloaded the Hibernate Tools for Eclipse, unpack and copy the plugins to your Eclipse plugins directory. Sometimes Eclipse does not automatically detect new plugins and thus the tools will not be activated. To ensure eclipse sees these changes run eclipse with the -clean option. E.g. eclipse -clean


Is that because the former instructions are for non-cvs type of install, while the latter are for cvs?