Where's Sergey?

devonl · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:42 pm

Has Sergey left the NH team? I see he hasn't posted since May 2008.

Also, does anyone have any sort of explanation for the fracture in the NH community? Why isn't NH 2.0.x listed on the hibernate.org site? Why is there a forum for support here and over at Google groups?

I've been away for a while and I'm a little disconcerted over the state of things. Perhaps this is unexpected fallout from the RH acquisition but I've searched everywhere and there isn't a single source of information about why we have two distinct communities, nor any discussion over why NH is no longer hosted on hibernate.org.

???

wolli · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 4:53 pm

The complete team moved to www.nhforge.org. I can't give you the exact reasons. But you can browse through nhusers and nhibernate-development at google groups. There was a lot of discussion there.

Afaik Sergey's work was kind of a sponsorship by RH and was ended around that time. Project lead is now by Fabio and he does as good an job as Sergey.

devonl · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:13 pm

Wolfgang,

Thanks for stepping up here. I see you answer a ton of questions here and you deserve more than the single point I just awarded. I did not intend to question Fabio's leadership of the project, only the state the NH community is in.

I found a great thread over at the nhibernate-development Google group and post it here for reference. I respectfully submit that one of the Forum moderators should create a "sticky" post with some sort of explanation here until things get sorted proper.

A discussion between Fabio and Martjin Boland (of Cuyahoga fame) from this post:

Quote:

> What's the current involvement of JBoss with NHibernate?

Do you see any kind of involvement since 1 year and half ?
I don't.

> Do they still support NHibernate?

They don't support NH; JBoss is owned by RedHat and you can imagine how much they want hear about something involved with Microsoft technology.

> Or do they 'own' something like names or trademarks?

RedHat own www.nhibernate.org and NHibernate trademark. But for us this is not a problem...
We don't ask nothing more that the ability to have our site based on our
technology with our knowledge base, our blog and all with our stile.
Obviusly we will have various links to JBoss site, at the end NH is a port
of Hibernate.

Later on...

Quote:

> By the way, if we decide to create a new forum, it is highly important to
> export the current one (even if it isn't reorganized) because it contains a
> lot of information that should stay available (without having to juggle
> between two websites).

I don't know who are using the "official forum", I think that de-facto the
international forum today is
http://groups.google.com.ar/group/nhusers

I think Fabio is mistaken here. This forum is at least as active as nhusers (perhaps more so?) and, arguably, the "official" forum. So this forum should not be abandoned by the stewards of the NH project.

Then later in the post:

Quote:

We have some news from Christian Bauer of JBoss/RedHat (after 17 days from
the first request).
This is the resume of I understand translated in few words:
- RedHat refuses to hand domain to NH project.
- NH community can do what they want but only under "Hibernate umbrella".
- NH can't have a site based on .NET tech + NHibernate.
- If NH community want have his own site the way is fork and rename the
project.

I would like to hear the community opinion before take a decision.
Please feel free to leave your opinion here.

The last entry is dated June 30, 2008:

Quote:

Please friends take it easy...
I ask for opinions that mean that we don't have a decision taken.

wolli · **Posted:** Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:24 pm

Quote:

I respectfully submit that one of the Forum moderators should create a "sticky" post with some sort of explanation here until things get sorted proper.

I asked for something like that on nhusers, but never got a real feed back. I don't know if they don't have permissions for doing something here.

Quote:

I think Fabio is mistaken here. This forum is at least as active as nhusers (perhaps more so?) and, arguably, the "official" forum. So this forum should not be abandoned by the stewards of the NH project.

Not quite ... nhusers as an average number of posts of more than 30 per day. So I think it's much more going on there. But in my feeling, the topics there are more advanced than here.