whenever i use fetch="join" in many-to-one, hibernate egarly loading associated object.

fetch="join" lazy="true" or lazy="proxy"(hibernate3) means what will happen?

i have tested for fetch="join" lazy="true", now also hibernate egarly loading associated object so there is no meaning for lazy loading(lazy=true) when set fetch ="join".

Is my understanding is right or?

any other suggesstion and explaination for this two attrbutes are welcome....

Thanks in advance
Shanmugam.N