Is there such as thing as cascade ="save-delete"? I want creations/deletions to cascade, but not updates (due to program logic in a couple of places)

I have workarounds, so no sweat.

Interestingly enough, the answer is probably "no", though its not immediately obvious.

For example, I would really like to have a "save-lock", but the trouble with that is that allowing both "save-lock" and "save-update" would open up the possibility that the behaviour changes according to the order in which Hibernate navigates object references. This is VERY bugprone!

Now, "save-delete" is probably not vulnerable to this, but I think what you really want is actuall "save-lock-delete", which is problematic.

What I want is save-delete as a combo of cascade="save" and "cascade=delete"

But then again, I'm a Hibernate newbie and don't understand all the implications ;-)